1 00:00:00,940 --> 00:00:02,710 NARRATOR: In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:02,770 --> 00:00:06,620 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups, 3 00:00:06,670 --> 00:00:08,520 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:08,580 --> 00:00:11,350 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:11,410 --> 00:00:12,910 These are their stories. 6 00:00:14,950 --> 00:00:17,400 Since when are you such a financial wizard? 7 00:00:17,450 --> 00:00:19,090 Because I have a 401 k? 8 00:00:19,150 --> 00:00:22,000 I have a savings account, I have life insurance, 9 00:00:22,060 --> 00:00:24,700 and my brother-in-law just put me in a mutual fund. 10 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,300 I don't want to hear about anything else. 11 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:27,430 When it comes time to retire, 12 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:29,370 you're gonna be crying in your beer. 13 00:00:29,430 --> 00:00:30,740 (MONKEY SCREECHING) 14 00:00:31,830 --> 00:00:33,370 What the hell is this? 15 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:35,510 There's one of 'em... 16 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,840 But where are the rest of 'em? 17 00:00:38,210 --> 00:00:39,450 Oh, God. 18 00:00:45,150 --> 00:00:46,320 (CHATTER ON POLICE RADIO) 19 00:00:46,380 --> 00:00:47,690 Who is he? 20 00:00:47,750 --> 00:00:50,520 According to his ID, his name is Ronald Lee. 21 00:00:50,580 --> 00:00:52,760 He's a molecular biologist. 22 00:00:52,820 --> 00:00:54,530 Any idea what he died from? 23 00:00:54,590 --> 00:00:55,730 Not really. 24 00:00:55,790 --> 00:00:58,500 All I can see is the one bite mark on his hand. 25 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,230 Must've bitten clear through the glove. 26 00:01:00,290 --> 00:01:01,470 Forcible entry? 27 00:01:01,530 --> 00:01:03,770 Not to the doors, not to the cages. 28 00:01:04,070 --> 00:01:06,070 The monkeys were infected with something, right? 29 00:01:06,130 --> 00:01:07,480 They weren't here to learn how to ride unicycles. 30 00:01:08,300 --> 00:01:09,910 According to what the lab people said, 31 00:01:09,970 --> 00:01:12,880 half of them were infected with a recombinant AIDS virus. 32 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,420 Any sign of them? 33 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:15,840 Only the one. 34 00:01:15,910 --> 00:01:17,220 (MONKEY SCREECHING) 35 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,160 This the perp? Yeah. 36 00:01:22,220 --> 00:01:24,630 Two guys who work here got him back in the cage. 37 00:01:24,690 --> 00:01:26,390 And what's your story, huh? 38 00:01:26,890 --> 00:01:28,090 They said one of 'em gets out 39 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,600 they fight like hell to not get put back in. 40 00:01:30,660 --> 00:01:31,900 So would I. 41 00:02:24,110 --> 00:02:25,890 TONG: Seventeen monkeys were taken. 42 00:02:25,950 --> 00:02:29,520 Eight of them were infected with a strain of Simian immunodeficiency virus 43 00:02:29,580 --> 00:02:32,790 that's been genetically modified with human AIDS virus. 44 00:02:32,850 --> 00:02:35,200 How likely is it that they'll infect anybody else? 45 00:02:35,260 --> 00:02:37,600 Suffice it to say that anyone who gets near them 46 00:02:37,660 --> 00:02:39,930 is at risk of being bitten and infected. 47 00:02:40,060 --> 00:02:41,870 We have no idea where these monkeys are? 48 00:02:41,930 --> 00:02:43,140 Not as of yet. 49 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,370 At this point, I think it's inadvisable to go public with the fact that 50 00:02:46,430 --> 00:02:48,410 the Center for Disease Control is involved. 51 00:02:48,770 --> 00:02:51,050 All it's going to do is create unnecessary panic. 52 00:02:51,110 --> 00:02:52,110 Agreed. 53 00:02:52,170 --> 00:02:55,620 If we don't manage to locate these monkeys in a reasonable period of time, 54 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,090 I'm derelict in my responsibilities if I don't go public. 55 00:02:58,550 --> 00:02:59,680 What's reasonable? 56 00:02:59,750 --> 00:03:00,850 Seventy-two hours. 57 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:01,950 We'll do the best we can. 58 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,460 I want updates. Yes, sir. 59 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,430 Uh, Dr. Tong, could you just stick around for a minute? 60 00:03:08,490 --> 00:03:10,060 We need to ask you a few questions. 61 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,470 Sure. Thanks. 62 00:03:14,060 --> 00:03:15,840 Have we heard from the M.E.? 63 00:03:15,900 --> 00:03:18,340 Well, they put the preliminary cause of death 64 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,210 as anaphylactic shock, 65 00:03:20,270 --> 00:03:22,110 probably brought on by an allergic reaction 66 00:03:22,170 --> 00:03:24,010 to something in the monkey's saliva. 67 00:03:24,310 --> 00:03:26,290 Well, if the guy was allergic to monkeys, 68 00:03:26,340 --> 00:03:27,940 what was he doing working in the lab? 69 00:03:28,010 --> 00:03:29,320 According to the M.E., 70 00:03:29,380 --> 00:03:32,850 anaphylactic shock doesn't require a pre-existing allergy. 71 00:03:33,550 --> 00:03:35,420 Well, what are you thinking for motive? 72 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,400 The monkeys go for between five and eight thousand per, 73 00:03:38,450 --> 00:03:39,450 and there were 18 of 'em. 74 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:40,730 Robbery would be a possibility. 75 00:03:40,790 --> 00:03:43,200 Another possibility is if they were making progress 76 00:03:43,260 --> 00:03:45,000 on an HIV vaccine, 77 00:03:45,060 --> 00:03:47,470 it could have been a case of industrial espionage. 78 00:03:47,530 --> 00:03:48,940 Well, has anyone received word 79 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,200 of an animal rights group being involved? 80 00:03:51,270 --> 00:03:52,270 Not so far. 81 00:03:52,330 --> 00:03:53,370 Because there was a fatality, 82 00:03:53,430 --> 00:03:54,540 most groups that would do this sort of thing 83 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,840 might not be quick to claim responsibility. 84 00:03:56,900 --> 00:04:00,550 Has this particular research facility been the target of protest? 85 00:04:00,940 --> 00:04:01,940 We'll let you know. 86 00:04:02,010 --> 00:04:03,010 Soon. 87 00:04:06,950 --> 00:04:09,620 People find out we use primates, we catch heat. 88 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:10,680 Well, what kind of heat? 89 00:04:10,750 --> 00:04:12,750 Oh, protests. Nasty letters. 90 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,330 Some threats. 91 00:04:14,390 --> 00:04:16,730 Any, uh, threats against specific people? 92 00:04:16,790 --> 00:04:17,830 Oh, yeah. 93 00:04:18,330 --> 00:04:21,140 I had someone call and say they were gonna stick a needle 94 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,370 in me like we do to the primates. 95 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:25,340 Sounds like you don't take it too seriously. 96 00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:29,640 I just lost a close friend and a gifted bio-chemist. 97 00:04:29,700 --> 00:04:32,510 I also lost, potentially, years worth of research. 98 00:04:32,570 --> 00:04:34,420 I take that very seriously. 99 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,320 What I won't do is be intimidated by these people. 100 00:04:37,980 --> 00:04:40,790 Can you give us any specifics on who these people are? 101 00:04:41,050 --> 00:04:43,650 Talk to my head of security. He knows who they are. 102 00:04:44,550 --> 00:04:46,760 The last demonstration we had was in September. 103 00:04:46,820 --> 00:04:48,390 Like, 20 people walking around 104 00:04:48,460 --> 00:04:50,060 in front of the entrance with signs. 105 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,930 A couple of 'em got inside and poured blood on the floor. 106 00:04:52,990 --> 00:04:54,970 My guys detained them until the cops got here, 107 00:04:55,030 --> 00:04:57,980 and we pressed charges for trespassing and criminal mischief. 108 00:04:58,170 --> 00:05:00,870 What kind of a security system do you have in place? 109 00:05:00,940 --> 00:05:03,350 Electronic key access to this wing of the building. 110 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,410 Separate access to where the monkeys are kept. 111 00:05:05,470 --> 00:05:08,210 Any history of electronic keys falling into the wrong hands? 112 00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:09,850 Well, it's been known to happen. 113 00:05:09,910 --> 00:05:11,580 Computer hackers figure out how to replicate the code, 114 00:05:11,650 --> 00:05:13,960 they can fabricate something that fools the scanner. 115 00:05:14,010 --> 00:05:15,250 But did it ever happen here? 116 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,850 It happened at a research facility in Wisconsin. 117 00:05:18,020 --> 00:05:19,290 Um, from what I understand, 118 00:05:19,350 --> 00:05:21,130 they had a break-in, some files were destroyed, 119 00:05:21,190 --> 00:05:22,860 and they never apprehended who did it. 120 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,490 This last protest, where they broke in 121 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:26,560 and poured the blood, 122 00:05:26,630 --> 00:05:27,830 what was the name of the organization? 123 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,540 They called themselves All Living Creatures United. 124 00:05:33,370 --> 00:05:35,850 We really take no satisfaction in Mr. Lee's death. 125 00:05:35,900 --> 00:05:38,210 Oh, I'm sure that'll be of great comfort to his family. 126 00:05:38,270 --> 00:05:40,950 Unfortunately, his job put him in the front lines of a struggle. 127 00:05:41,010 --> 00:05:43,580 We're not asking for a sound bite here, Ms. Perlow. 128 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,520 We just want to know who in your organization 129 00:05:45,580 --> 00:05:47,220 was present at the facility. 130 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:48,780 I wouldn't have that information. 131 00:05:48,850 --> 00:05:50,090 Do you encourage your members 132 00:05:50,150 --> 00:05:51,490 to break into animal research labs? 133 00:05:52,020 --> 00:05:54,590 We encourage our members to follow their consciences. 134 00:05:54,660 --> 00:05:56,530 Oh, so as long as their conscience tells them to, 135 00:05:56,590 --> 00:05:58,300 you'd support an action like this? 136 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,460 I... I'm not saying that. 137 00:05:59,530 --> 00:06:01,700 BRISCOE: You refuse to give us a list of your members? 138 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:02,900 There is no list of members. 139 00:06:03,730 --> 00:06:07,940 There are 17 diseased animals unaccounted for, Ms. Perlow. 140 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,010 If you think you're gonna be able to protect anybody's identity, 141 00:06:11,070 --> 00:06:12,520 you're very much mistaken. 142 00:06:14,910 --> 00:06:16,350 The two detained at the demonstration, 143 00:06:16,410 --> 00:06:18,250 one of them is Maxine Walden, 144 00:06:18,310 --> 00:06:19,660 twenty-one, dean's list. 145 00:06:19,710 --> 00:06:21,520 The other one is Barry Pratt, 146 00:06:21,580 --> 00:06:23,650 previously arrested for assault, burglary, 147 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,290 and possession of burglary tools. 148 00:06:25,350 --> 00:06:26,760 I'll take care of number two. 149 00:06:30,660 --> 00:06:34,730 So, what's the difference between Vegan and Vegetarian? 150 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:35,830 Vee-gan. 151 00:06:36,130 --> 00:06:37,770 No animal parts of any kind. 152 00:06:38,070 --> 00:06:40,940 So, what, no milk, no eggs, no cheese? 153 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,070 That's right. 154 00:06:42,370 --> 00:06:43,610 That's kind of restrictive, isn't it? 155 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,180 Well, if you're really interested, 156 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:46,580 I can get you some reading material. 157 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:48,880 Uh, I was just making conversation. 158 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,250 Do you know anything about this research lab that got broken into? 159 00:06:52,810 --> 00:06:53,880 No. 160 00:06:53,950 --> 00:06:56,620 Any idea where monkeys hole up when they're on the lam? 161 00:06:57,580 --> 00:06:58,650 No, I have no idea. 162 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,600 You were arrested in a demonstration 163 00:07:00,650 --> 00:07:02,130 at this lab a few months ago. 164 00:07:03,460 --> 00:07:04,900 That's right, I was. 165 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,300 You been back there since? No. 166 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:08,840 Where were you last night? 167 00:07:10,130 --> 00:07:11,510 I was playing basketball at the 168 00:07:11,570 --> 00:07:13,240 Anybody we can call to verify that? 169 00:07:13,300 --> 00:07:15,940 Well, I have the team roster on my Palm Pilot. You want to see? 170 00:07:16,570 --> 00:07:17,640 Yes, we do. 171 00:07:22,740 --> 00:07:24,220 You're here because I have a record, right? 172 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:25,990 It isn't for the food. 173 00:07:28,650 --> 00:07:29,860 His alibi checks out. 174 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,590 He hasn't been talking to animal rights groups in Wisconsin? 175 00:07:32,650 --> 00:07:33,790 None that we can identify. 176 00:07:33,850 --> 00:07:35,490 And his e-mails tell us nothing? 177 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,300 The only name that means anything is Maxine Walden. 178 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:39,390 Who's that? 179 00:07:39,460 --> 00:07:41,870 The other protester who was detained at the demonstration. 180 00:07:41,930 --> 00:07:43,370 Might be worth a visit. 181 00:07:48,270 --> 00:07:51,340 The day of the demonstration was the last time you were at the lab? 182 00:07:51,410 --> 00:07:52,410 Yes. 183 00:07:52,470 --> 00:07:54,450 So, what? It was just a passing fancy? 184 00:07:54,980 --> 00:07:58,220 I'm involved in various actions related to animal rights. 185 00:07:58,410 --> 00:08:00,980 That was the last time I was at that particular location. 186 00:08:01,050 --> 00:08:03,460 So how come you didn't get arrested that day at the lab? 187 00:08:04,050 --> 00:08:05,260 I was let go. 188 00:08:05,620 --> 00:08:08,190 I think the question is why you were let go. 189 00:08:08,390 --> 00:08:10,700 I think I was late for a doctor's appointment. 190 00:08:11,190 --> 00:08:13,030 The security guard took pity on me. 191 00:08:13,090 --> 00:08:14,600 You expecting intruders? 192 00:08:14,660 --> 00:08:15,660 No. 193 00:08:15,730 --> 00:08:17,270 Then what are you doing with a stun gun? 194 00:08:17,330 --> 00:08:20,240 There were some incidents with women being attacked on the way back to the dorm. 195 00:08:20,300 --> 00:08:21,300 I got it for that. 196 00:08:21,370 --> 00:08:22,940 Where'd you get it from? 197 00:08:23,100 --> 00:08:24,450 A friend of mine got it for me. 198 00:08:24,510 --> 00:08:25,980 I'm not going to tell you who that friend is, 199 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,250 'cause I don't want to get him in trouble. 200 00:08:27,310 --> 00:08:29,290 You know, these are illegal in New York City. 201 00:08:29,340 --> 00:08:31,690 We're gonna have to take this away from you. Take it. 202 00:08:31,750 --> 00:08:34,190 We're also gonna have to contact the D.A.'s office. 203 00:08:34,250 --> 00:08:35,780 You could be in a lot of trouble. 204 00:08:35,850 --> 00:08:36,990 Mmm-hmm. 205 00:08:37,180 --> 00:08:39,220 You know, the more cooperative you are, 206 00:08:39,290 --> 00:08:40,890 the more likely they are to let it go. 207 00:08:40,950 --> 00:08:42,660 I'll take my chances. 208 00:08:43,820 --> 00:08:45,700 What are your security officers armed with? 209 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,140 Nightstick and a stun gun. 210 00:08:47,190 --> 00:08:49,640 And who was supposed to stay with the demonstrators? 211 00:08:49,700 --> 00:08:52,140 If I remember correctly, it was Peavey and Castellano. 212 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:53,200 And they were supposed to wait 213 00:08:53,270 --> 00:08:55,650 with the demonstrators until the cops showed? 214 00:08:56,700 --> 00:08:58,180 Peavey decided to let one of 'em go 215 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:59,720 'cause she had a doctor's appointment. 216 00:09:00,510 --> 00:09:02,180 He came to me with a whole sob story 217 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:03,740 about how she was just an innocent kid, 218 00:09:03,810 --> 00:09:04,950 got caught up in things. 219 00:09:05,010 --> 00:09:06,420 Is Peavey working today? 220 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:07,480 Day off. 221 00:09:07,550 --> 00:09:08,990 Do you have an address where we can find him? 222 00:09:09,050 --> 00:09:10,120 Mmm-hmm. 223 00:09:13,990 --> 00:09:15,490 He lives with his mother. 224 00:09:18,330 --> 00:09:20,600 He likes it here. He could afford his own place. 225 00:09:20,660 --> 00:09:22,730 Well, with rents in the city being what they are, 226 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,170 time enough when he gets married, huh? 227 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,370 I hope I live that long. 228 00:09:26,430 --> 00:09:28,140 ED: What, no prospects? 229 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,810 None that he tells me about. 230 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:32,980 Do you have any idea where we can find him, Mrs. Peavey? 231 00:09:33,810 --> 00:09:35,980 Well, is... Is he in some trouble? 232 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,350 BRISCOE: No, no. We just need to ask him a couple of questions. 233 00:09:38,410 --> 00:09:39,480 Oh. 234 00:09:39,710 --> 00:09:41,780 His friend, Alsie, 235 00:09:41,850 --> 00:09:43,800 has a boat on City Island. 236 00:09:43,850 --> 00:09:45,890 I think he said he was going there. 237 00:09:45,950 --> 00:09:46,950 Thanks. 238 00:09:47,020 --> 00:09:49,900 (STAMMERS) Now, you're sure he's not in any kind of trouble? 239 00:09:51,490 --> 00:09:52,660 I ain't seen him. 240 00:09:54,090 --> 00:09:56,340 His mother said he was coming over here. 241 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:57,740 I ain't seen him in over a month. 242 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,540 He's coming over here, it's news to me. 243 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:00,940 You two have a falling out? 244 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,070 Nah. 245 00:10:02,140 --> 00:10:04,380 His mother gave us the impression you were best friends. 246 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,480 (SCOFFS) What can I tell you? I ain't seen him. 247 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:08,780 BRISCOE: What do you go for on this thing? 248 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,480 Ah, fluke, weakfish. 249 00:10:10,540 --> 00:10:11,920 When blues are running we go for them. 250 00:10:11,980 --> 00:10:13,150 George go out with you? 251 00:10:13,210 --> 00:10:15,490 Yeah, he used to. We used to go out together all the time. 252 00:10:15,550 --> 00:10:16,580 ED: What happened? 253 00:10:16,650 --> 00:10:18,290 I don't know what happened. He, uh... 254 00:10:18,350 --> 00:10:19,800 He lost his interest in fishing. 255 00:10:19,850 --> 00:10:21,490 He said it was the same thing as hunting, 256 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:23,090 which he also didn't want to do anymore. 257 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,190 He say why? 258 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,000 Ah, it was taking a life. 259 00:10:26,730 --> 00:10:29,000 I said I ain't exactly up nights worrying about the life of a fluke. 260 00:10:29,900 --> 00:10:31,400 (CHUCKLING) What did he say to that? 261 00:10:31,470 --> 00:10:33,380 He got mad at me. He says, uh, 262 00:10:33,430 --> 00:10:35,570 "There's enough other protein sources on the planet" 263 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,640 "so we don't need to slaughter animals." 264 00:10:37,700 --> 00:10:39,840 Now, I know he didn't come up with that on his own. 265 00:10:39,910 --> 00:10:41,610 Turns out, he's seeing some girl. 266 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:44,520 She's into all that no meat, no leather kind of thing. 267 00:10:45,410 --> 00:10:47,890 Anyway, that was the last time he came around here. 268 00:10:54,190 --> 00:10:55,190 Whoever did it, 269 00:10:55,260 --> 00:10:57,200 do you actually think they meant to kill anyone? 270 00:10:57,260 --> 00:10:59,930 Letting diseased animals out of their cages? 271 00:10:59,990 --> 00:11:01,370 That could be considered a little risky. 272 00:11:01,430 --> 00:11:04,240 They're diseased because they were injected with a virus. 273 00:11:04,460 --> 00:11:06,100 Where can we find George? 274 00:11:06,370 --> 00:11:07,640 I have no idea. 275 00:11:08,140 --> 00:11:09,270 Do you realize that interfering 276 00:11:09,340 --> 00:11:10,840 with a criminal investigation is a felony? 277 00:11:10,900 --> 00:11:12,320 I am not interfering with anything. 278 00:11:12,370 --> 00:11:14,510 If you're helping him, you're interfering. 279 00:11:14,580 --> 00:11:16,450 Are you guys trying to intimidate me? 280 00:11:17,210 --> 00:11:18,880 'Cause if you are, it's not working. 281 00:11:18,950 --> 00:11:20,820 When's the last time you saw George? 282 00:11:21,220 --> 00:11:23,160 I don't know, last week some time. 283 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:24,800 Are you two romantically involved? 284 00:11:25,490 --> 00:11:26,990 That's none of your business. 285 00:11:27,550 --> 00:11:28,660 If you'll excuse me, I'm late for class. 286 00:11:29,020 --> 00:11:32,440 Hey, Miss Walden, if people start getting bit by these animals, 287 00:11:32,490 --> 00:11:35,300 your friend's gonna go to the top of the FBI's Most Wanted list. 288 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,670 I don't know what friend you're talking about, 289 00:11:37,730 --> 00:11:40,580 but anyone who cared enough about those animals to rescue them 290 00:11:40,630 --> 00:11:42,380 would make sure they're not running around loose. 291 00:11:42,870 --> 00:11:44,680 They'd make sure they were safe. 292 00:11:44,740 --> 00:11:47,840 Well, we'll pass along your assurances to the people in Washington. 293 00:11:51,950 --> 00:11:53,050 He's not showing up for work. 294 00:11:53,110 --> 00:11:54,220 His mother doesn't know where he is. 295 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:55,280 Or at least that's what she says. 296 00:11:55,350 --> 00:11:58,060 Well, Maxine's the key. We sit on her, he'll show up. 297 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,690 I'll talk to the D.A about a wire tap. 298 00:12:00,750 --> 00:12:03,530 We're thinking he might've tried to place the monkeys in a refuge of some kind. 299 00:12:03,590 --> 00:12:06,430 Well, we're gonna check the tristate area for any complaints 300 00:12:06,490 --> 00:12:08,340 involving non-domestic animals. 301 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,640 Great. That might at least tell us who'd be willing to take them. 302 00:12:13,830 --> 00:12:16,250 Vietnamese pot-bellied pig breeder. 303 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,040 Oh, now doing time for mail fraud. 304 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,250 Faye Ireland. 305 00:12:21,310 --> 00:12:22,580 Who's that? 306 00:12:22,740 --> 00:12:25,550 One of the queens of the tight sweater movies. 307 00:12:25,610 --> 00:12:28,390 She's running an animal refuge in Putnam County. 308 00:12:28,450 --> 00:12:30,890 Had a tiger get out and terrorize the neighborhood. 309 00:12:30,950 --> 00:12:32,450 You want to meet her, Lennie? 310 00:12:33,020 --> 00:12:35,900 I was thinking she might know something about the monkeys. 311 00:12:36,590 --> 00:12:37,690 (GIGGLES) 312 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,170 I had a chimp that got rescued from a circus, 313 00:12:41,230 --> 00:12:42,760 but he died last year. 314 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,670 And that was it for the primates. 315 00:12:44,730 --> 00:12:48,910 We thought maybe somebody contacted you looking to place some spider monkeys. 316 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,550 These were the monkeys that were rescued from the lab? 317 00:12:53,610 --> 00:12:54,810 That's right. 318 00:12:57,180 --> 00:12:59,120 I'm sorry, I can't help you. 319 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,450 Well, where would somebody who rescued monkeys go? 320 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,960 If they were responsible, they'd find an animal refuge 321 00:13:04,020 --> 00:13:06,020 run by someone who knew what they were doing. 322 00:13:06,090 --> 00:13:08,230 How many places are there like that in this area? 323 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,500 Not enough, given how many animals are out there needing rescuing. 324 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,800 Could you provide us with a list of names? 325 00:13:16,700 --> 00:13:17,700 (SIGHING) 326 00:13:18,100 --> 00:13:21,810 These people do what they do because of their love for animals. 327 00:13:24,070 --> 00:13:27,480 We're all vulnerable to problems with neighbors. 328 00:13:27,710 --> 00:13:30,310 We don't really like to call attention to ourselves. 329 00:13:31,310 --> 00:13:34,320 You found me. I'm not going to help you find anyone else. 330 00:13:34,380 --> 00:13:37,760 Ms. Ireland, unless we find these monkeys by tomorrow morning, 331 00:13:37,820 --> 00:13:39,320 there are gonna be men from Washington 332 00:13:39,390 --> 00:13:41,330 standing right where I'm standing now. 333 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:43,430 They're gonna turn your place upside down 334 00:13:43,490 --> 00:13:45,400 they're gonna quarantine your animals, 335 00:13:45,460 --> 00:13:47,740 and they're not gonna take no for an answer. 336 00:13:54,430 --> 00:13:55,810 (MONKEYS CHITTERING) 337 00:13:55,870 --> 00:13:58,250 BRISCOE: You're in a world of trouble here, guys. 338 00:13:58,310 --> 00:14:00,550 MAN: I have no idea what you people are talking about. 339 00:14:00,610 --> 00:14:02,640 All we were told was that the monkeys needed a home. 340 00:14:02,710 --> 00:14:04,190 ED: Where were you told they came from? 341 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:05,310 From an animal trainer. 342 00:14:05,380 --> 00:14:06,880 Is this the animal trainer that called you? 343 00:14:06,950 --> 00:14:09,260 It was someone who got them away from the animal trainer. 344 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:10,820 Then they were stolen. 345 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,760 No, no, no. They were rescued. 346 00:14:13,990 --> 00:14:16,190 We didn't delve into where they came from. 347 00:14:16,260 --> 00:14:18,170 We were told they needed at least a temporary home. 348 00:14:18,230 --> 00:14:20,930 We agreed to provide them with a temporary home. 349 00:14:21,500 --> 00:14:23,530 We quarantined them away from the other animals. 350 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:24,840 We had them examined by a vet. 351 00:14:24,900 --> 00:14:26,500 We were taking care of them. 352 00:14:26,570 --> 00:14:29,810 We know something about taking care of HIV infections. 353 00:14:29,870 --> 00:14:31,280 Who brought them here? 354 00:14:31,710 --> 00:14:32,810 (STAMMERING) Well, he didn't give a name. 355 00:14:32,870 --> 00:14:34,050 What did he look like? 356 00:14:34,110 --> 00:14:36,780 Ordinary looking. I wouldn't know him again if I fell over him. 357 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,550 You two better get your things together. 358 00:14:38,610 --> 00:14:40,350 We're gonna take a little ride into Manhattan. 359 00:14:40,410 --> 00:14:43,050 Why? Receiving stolen property. 360 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,260 Listen, all we do is take care of sick and abused animals. 361 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,760 You can tell all that to the D.A. 362 00:14:47,820 --> 00:14:48,930 Right now, you're under arrest. 363 00:14:48,990 --> 00:14:51,440 No, no. We can't leave without providing care for the animals. 364 00:14:51,490 --> 00:14:52,730 We can't help you with that. 365 00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:54,070 No? 366 00:14:54,130 --> 00:14:56,900 Well, then I hope you're prepared to subdue me by force. 367 00:14:57,730 --> 00:14:59,180 Because I'm not leaving my animals. 368 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:00,810 We can do that. 369 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,510 Damn it, what is it that you want from us? 370 00:15:06,570 --> 00:15:09,610 We just want to know who brought you the monkeys. 371 00:15:11,910 --> 00:15:13,290 His name's George. 372 00:15:14,610 --> 00:15:16,650 BRISCOE: Where's George, Mrs. Peavey? 373 00:15:18,490 --> 00:15:20,520 Did you ever stop and think that 374 00:15:21,250 --> 00:15:25,290 maybe somebody left those cages open by accident? 375 00:15:25,990 --> 00:15:29,100 You know, you're not helping your son by concealing where he is. 376 00:15:29,530 --> 00:15:32,370 He's a grown man. He don't tell me where he's going. 377 00:15:32,430 --> 00:15:36,710 Mrs. Peavey, lying comes naturally to some people. 378 00:15:36,940 --> 00:15:38,580 You're not one of those people. 379 00:15:42,510 --> 00:15:45,080 (SNIFFLES) Oh, he's so mixed up. 380 00:15:45,910 --> 00:15:47,390 We're not gonna hurt him. 381 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,700 He's at his friend Alsie's. 382 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,400 BRISCOE: George Peavey! This is the New York City Police Department. 383 00:16:01,460 --> 00:16:03,870 Please come out with your hands above your head! 384 00:16:03,930 --> 00:16:05,640 (CHATTER ON POLICE RADIO) 385 00:16:06,430 --> 00:16:09,610 If you do not come out, the boat will be boarded 386 00:16:09,670 --> 00:16:11,840 and you'll be taken off by force. 387 00:16:18,750 --> 00:16:20,280 Put your hands behind your back. 388 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,990 It's a lousy day for a boat ride anyway. 389 00:16:28,860 --> 00:16:30,430 How tough do you think it's gonna be to prove 390 00:16:30,490 --> 00:16:32,230 that you were the one that broke into the lab? 391 00:16:32,290 --> 00:16:33,290 I don't know. 392 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,670 You ought to consider it, don't you think? 393 00:16:34,730 --> 00:16:38,040 Whoever broke into the lab caused Ronald Lee's death. 394 00:16:38,100 --> 00:16:40,240 Maybe by accident they did. 395 00:16:40,370 --> 00:16:42,900 I don't think the D.A.'s gonna see it that way. 396 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,270 Yeah, and the more cooperative whoever broke into the lab is, 397 00:16:46,340 --> 00:16:47,780 the better it's gonna be for them. 398 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,840 I don't think I should say anything. 399 00:16:49,910 --> 00:16:52,220 And the better it's gonna be for Maxine. 400 00:16:54,710 --> 00:16:56,560 What does this have to do with Maxine? 401 00:16:56,620 --> 00:16:57,890 Come on, George. 402 00:16:58,450 --> 00:17:02,130 No! I... No, she didn't break into the lab. 403 00:17:02,290 --> 00:17:04,000 ED: She didn't plan it with you? 404 00:17:04,060 --> 00:17:05,090 No! 405 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:06,930 She didn't put the idea into your head that these monkeys 406 00:17:06,990 --> 00:17:08,400 needed to be freed from these cages? 407 00:17:08,460 --> 00:17:09,500 That they needed to be rescued 408 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,770 from the experiments that were being done to them? 409 00:17:11,830 --> 00:17:13,440 Oh, she never said that. 410 00:17:13,500 --> 00:17:14,640 We think she did. 411 00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:17,580 She's a committed animal rights activist, 412 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,850 and we can prove the two of you are romantically involved. 413 00:17:21,170 --> 00:17:22,380 From there, it's just connect the dots 414 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,620 until we charge her with conspiracy. 415 00:17:24,780 --> 00:17:26,950 No, I don't want you to charge her with anything. 416 00:17:27,010 --> 00:17:28,650 She didn't do anything. 417 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,850 Are you saying you did this all on your own? 418 00:17:33,820 --> 00:17:34,960 Yeah. 419 00:17:40,060 --> 00:17:41,770 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 420 00:17:42,230 --> 00:17:44,800 We'll want a full written statement to that effect. 421 00:17:49,340 --> 00:17:51,080 CARMICHAEL: We have a confession that he broke into the lab 422 00:17:51,140 --> 00:17:53,340 with the intention of freeing the monkeys. 423 00:17:54,010 --> 00:17:56,080 What are we charging him with? Man two. 424 00:17:56,140 --> 00:17:57,620 Isn't that a little steep? 425 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,420 He had knowledge of the health hazard they pose. 426 00:18:00,780 --> 00:18:03,060 He knew one of them got loose, he did nothing about it. 427 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:04,530 I think it's the correct charge. 428 00:18:04,580 --> 00:18:05,650 Can we make it stick? 429 00:18:06,490 --> 00:18:07,760 I think we can. 430 00:18:08,620 --> 00:18:11,330 If you're talking about pleading to burglary three, trespassing, 431 00:18:11,390 --> 00:18:14,400 I'll even throw in criminal mischief, we're all ears. 432 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,700 Bringing culpability for the death of that researcher? 433 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:18,770 Forget it. 434 00:18:19,070 --> 00:18:21,740 A researcher working on developing an AIDS vaccine 435 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,980 dies as a direct result of your client's actions. 436 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,520 Are you really that confident about taking that to a jury? 437 00:18:27,570 --> 00:18:31,220 Oh, you're a long way from establishing the result was anything like direct. 438 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:32,850 Monkey is let out of cage. 439 00:18:32,910 --> 00:18:34,450 Monkey bites man. Man dies. 440 00:18:35,180 --> 00:18:36,920 How much more direct do you want it? 441 00:18:36,980 --> 00:18:38,520 That's not the way the jury will see it. 442 00:18:38,590 --> 00:18:39,960 How will the jury see it? 443 00:18:40,290 --> 00:18:42,600 George Peavey's heart was in the right place. 444 00:18:42,660 --> 00:18:44,360 If his head was a little slow in catching up, 445 00:18:44,420 --> 00:18:45,460 that's no reason to send him to prison. 446 00:18:47,290 --> 00:18:49,740 Criminally negligent homicide, going once... 447 00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:52,570 Going twice... 448 00:18:53,730 --> 00:18:54,770 Pass. 449 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,210 See you in court. 450 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,350 JACK: Did you perform the autopsy on Ronald Lee, Dr. Rodgers? 451 00:19:06,410 --> 00:19:07,480 I did. 452 00:19:07,550 --> 00:19:09,960 What did you determine was the cause of death? 453 00:19:10,020 --> 00:19:12,090 Anaphylactic shock brought about by 454 00:19:12,150 --> 00:19:15,330 a reaction to an antigen carried in the saliva of a monkey. 455 00:19:15,390 --> 00:19:20,530 Were you able to determine how Dr. Lee came to be exposed to this saliva? 456 00:19:20,590 --> 00:19:21,660 He was bitten. 457 00:19:22,260 --> 00:19:24,770 Were you able to determine which monkey bit him? 458 00:19:24,970 --> 00:19:27,710 The bite marks matched those of the monkey found at the scene. 459 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,610 Thank you, Dr. Rodgers. I have nothing further. 460 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,710 Is a monkey bite always fatal, Doctor? 461 00:19:33,770 --> 00:19:34,840 No. 462 00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:36,640 What made it fatal this time? 463 00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:39,590 Dr. Lee had a reaction to something in the saliva. 464 00:19:39,950 --> 00:19:43,190 Seemed to be an odd choice of employment for him to be working with monkeys 465 00:19:43,250 --> 00:19:44,590 if he was allergic to them, would it not? 466 00:19:44,650 --> 00:19:46,260 Objection. Irrelevant. 467 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:47,320 I'll allow it. 468 00:19:47,390 --> 00:19:49,330 He didn't have to have a pre-existing allergy 469 00:19:49,390 --> 00:19:50,930 to have the reaction he did. 470 00:19:51,020 --> 00:19:54,490 Were there any signs that the monkey attacked Dr. Lee? 471 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:55,560 No. 472 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,070 In fact, a single bite on the hand would suggest 473 00:19:59,130 --> 00:20:01,240 that it was Dr. Lee reaching for the monkey 474 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:02,910 when he was bitten, isn't that correct? 475 00:20:02,970 --> 00:20:05,710 I don't know enough about primate behavior to comment on that. 476 00:20:05,770 --> 00:20:09,310 So had Dr. Lee not been trying to grab the monkey, 477 00:20:09,380 --> 00:20:12,290 and had he not been allergic to the degree that he was, 478 00:20:12,580 --> 00:20:14,890 we probably wouldn't be here today, would we, Doctor? 479 00:20:15,850 --> 00:20:17,020 Probably not. 480 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,260 In that case, we're done. 481 00:20:20,890 --> 00:20:22,160 Redirect, Your Honor. 482 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,730 Dr. Rodgers, according to your familiarity with the crime scene, 483 00:20:26,790 --> 00:20:30,400 was the monkey in or out of its cage when Dr. Lee was bitten? 484 00:20:31,300 --> 00:20:32,300 Out. 485 00:20:32,970 --> 00:20:34,170 Nothing further. 486 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,180 JACK: You were Mr. Peavey's supervisor, is that right? 487 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:40,310 Yes. 488 00:20:40,610 --> 00:20:42,920 Had Mr. Peavey worked in the immediate vicinity 489 00:20:42,980 --> 00:20:44,280 of where the monkeys were kept? 490 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:45,980 Yes, he had. 491 00:20:46,050 --> 00:20:51,090 Are there signs saying that the monkeys are biologically hazardous? 492 00:20:51,850 --> 00:20:53,130 Yes, there are. 493 00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:55,720 Had you ever brought it to Mr. Peavey's attention 494 00:20:55,790 --> 00:20:58,070 that some of the monkeys were infected 495 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:00,900 with a highly virulent strain of the AIDS virus? 496 00:21:01,690 --> 00:21:02,930 I brought it to the attention 497 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,870 of every man I had working for me... 498 00:21:05,870 --> 00:21:07,870 I never wanted them to forget it. 499 00:21:10,270 --> 00:21:11,720 Why'd you do it, George? 500 00:21:13,010 --> 00:21:17,150 Well, the monkeys had been given this experimental AIDS vaccine, 501 00:21:17,810 --> 00:21:21,220 and they were starting to inject them with the AIDS virus. 502 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,250 Now, nobody knew if the vaccine would work 503 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,660 and everybody expected that probably most of the monkeys would die. 504 00:21:29,790 --> 00:21:31,600 And I didn't think that was right. 505 00:21:32,060 --> 00:21:33,870 Did you make any kind of arrangements for the monkeys 506 00:21:33,930 --> 00:21:35,570 after you took them out of the lab? 507 00:21:35,660 --> 00:21:39,610 Uh, I arranged with this animal refuge place to take them. 508 00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:41,710 What did those arrangements entail? 509 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,580 I gave the two guys with the refuge, uh, $15,000 510 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,280 to cover the cost of caring for them. 511 00:21:49,340 --> 00:21:50,690 Where did you get the money? 512 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,280 I had a '64 Impala that was my dad's. 513 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,060 Uh, one owner, always garaged... 514 00:21:59,820 --> 00:22:01,300 Uh, I sold it. 515 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,290 When my dad was dying, 516 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:10,170 and it got so my mom couldn't take care of him anymore, 517 00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:12,110 we put him in a hospice, 518 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:14,440 so they could take care of him. 519 00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:17,440 Uh, and they made it easier on him. 520 00:22:19,570 --> 00:22:22,580 And I wanted someplace that'd do the same for the monkeys. 521 00:22:23,340 --> 00:22:25,150 Did you know Ronald Lee, George? 522 00:22:26,980 --> 00:22:28,080 Yes. 523 00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:30,220 How do you feel about the fact that he died? 524 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,730 Objection. How the defendant feels is irrelevant. 525 00:22:32,790 --> 00:22:33,920 Sustained. 526 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,560 Okay, Mr. McCoy, if that's the case, I have no further questions. 527 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,170 What did you do after that monkey escaped, Mr. Peavey? 528 00:22:41,230 --> 00:22:42,730 GEORGE: I tried to catch him. 529 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,470 For how long did you try? 530 00:22:45,700 --> 00:22:48,470 Uh, I don't know. 15 minutes, 20 minutes. 531 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,410 I imagine you were fearful of being caught if you stayed too long, 532 00:22:51,470 --> 00:22:52,510 were you not? 533 00:22:52,570 --> 00:22:53,640 Yes, sir. 534 00:22:53,710 --> 00:22:55,620 So, after 15 or 20 minutes, you left. 535 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:56,710 Yes, sir. 536 00:22:56,780 --> 00:22:59,880 Did you call the authorities and alert them there was a monkey loose? 537 00:23:05,250 --> 00:23:06,320 No. 538 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,370 You told no one 539 00:23:11,060 --> 00:23:15,370 that a monkey infected with a deadly virus was out of its cage, 540 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,910 and that anyone entering that lab 541 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,210 was vulnerable to being bitten and infected? 542 00:23:20,270 --> 00:23:22,080 Objection. Asked and answered. 543 00:23:22,140 --> 00:23:24,010 GEORGE: I know, I should've. I... 544 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,550 You know, I didn't think the monkey would bite anyone. I... 545 00:23:28,140 --> 00:23:30,880 You know, I... I looked at his face when he was out 546 00:23:30,940 --> 00:23:33,650 and jumping around, and, you know, 547 00:23:34,050 --> 00:23:37,720 he just seemed so happy to be out of that cage. 548 00:23:37,980 --> 00:23:40,520 If he was so happy, what kept you from catching him 549 00:23:40,590 --> 00:23:42,190 and taking him with you to the animal refuge? 550 00:23:42,260 --> 00:23:44,170 Your Honor, there's an objection before the court. 551 00:23:44,220 --> 00:23:46,030 Was it fear of being bitten? 552 00:23:46,090 --> 00:23:47,730 Move on, Mr. McCoy. 553 00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:52,940 At what point did you inform the authorities, Mr. Peavey? 554 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,340 Never. 555 00:23:58,170 --> 00:23:59,550 I have nothing further. 556 00:24:01,210 --> 00:24:04,780 What's the sympathy factor for the defendant going to amount to? 557 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,880 Hopefully less than for a victim who dedicated his life to AIDS research. 558 00:24:09,180 --> 00:24:11,090 So we're feeling fairly confident, are we? 559 00:24:11,150 --> 00:24:12,460 (KNOCKING ON DOOR) Yes, we are. 560 00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:15,090 Thanks. 561 00:24:17,260 --> 00:24:19,930 Peavey's moving for a substitution of counsel. 562 00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:27,270 It's the defendant's desire to present a defense with which I don't agree 563 00:24:27,330 --> 00:24:29,210 and I'm not competent to prepare. 564 00:24:29,270 --> 00:24:31,980 As such, I'm asking the court to relieve me as counsel. 565 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,380 You've been around a long time, Howard. 566 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,280 What's the defense that you're not competent to prepare? 567 00:24:36,510 --> 00:24:40,250 I think Mr. Oyler is in a better position to explain it. 568 00:24:41,250 --> 00:24:42,320 Well, simply put, Your Honor, 569 00:24:42,380 --> 00:24:44,520 it's essentially an expansion of self-defense. 570 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,120 Give me that again? 571 00:24:46,350 --> 00:24:48,420 A justification defense is available 572 00:24:48,490 --> 00:24:51,300 when someone uses force under the reasonable belief 573 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:54,340 it was necessary to defend themselves or others. 574 00:24:54,660 --> 00:24:55,900 Other persons. 575 00:24:56,060 --> 00:24:59,070 Mr. Peavey was of the belief the circumstances required 576 00:24:59,130 --> 00:25:00,540 him to take the actions he did. 577 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,310 Tell me, Counselor, that you're not asking me 578 00:25:03,370 --> 00:25:06,370 to be the first judge in history to rule that monkeys are persons. 579 00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:08,750 Well, much as it's my feeling 580 00:25:08,810 --> 00:25:11,350 that such a position would be entirely well-founded morally, 581 00:25:11,410 --> 00:25:12,650 that's not what I'm asking. 582 00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:13,780 Good. 583 00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:15,790 Since a defense of justification turns on 584 00:25:15,850 --> 00:25:18,850 reasonableness of belief, not objective criteria, 585 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,090 the only question is whether or not the defendant 586 00:25:21,150 --> 00:25:22,570 was reasonable in his belief 587 00:25:22,620 --> 00:25:24,400 that the monkeys were entitled to be saved. 588 00:25:24,460 --> 00:25:26,660 Your Honor, the law of justification defense 589 00:25:26,730 --> 00:25:29,140 does not pertain to the defense of monkeys. 590 00:25:29,530 --> 00:25:32,270 The reasonableness of the defendant's belief is irrelevant. 591 00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:34,210 A hundred and thirty-five years ago, 592 00:25:34,270 --> 00:25:37,340 justification defense didn't pertain to the defense of slaves. 593 00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:40,320 The law, Your Honor, evolves. 594 00:25:42,580 --> 00:25:45,390 I want to go on record as saying that I do not believe the word 595 00:25:45,450 --> 00:25:49,690 "others" in the statutory language defense of others refers to monkeys. 596 00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:51,130 What I believe, however, does not 597 00:25:51,180 --> 00:25:54,170 provide a conclusive basis for dismissing the argument. 598 00:25:54,420 --> 00:25:56,530 That said, I'm going to leave it to the jury 599 00:25:56,590 --> 00:25:59,870 to decide whether or not the defendant's actions were reasonable. 600 00:26:01,260 --> 00:26:02,760 You've got your forum, Counselor. 601 00:26:02,830 --> 00:26:06,370 I trust you'll use it to serve your client, and not your cause. 602 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,540 (SIGHS) 603 00:26:14,110 --> 00:26:16,090 Who's picking up the tab for this? 604 00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:17,380 A defense committee was established 605 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,420 by a few animal rights organizations. 606 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,960 For them, it's a test case. 607 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,060 What do we know about the lawyer? 608 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:24,990 Well, he clerked for Harry Blackmun. 609 00:26:25,050 --> 00:26:26,860 He made partner at Stroock. 610 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,870 He took a major pay cut to do animal rights law full-time. 611 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,230 He's going after a lot of legitimate people with this. 612 00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:35,800 It has to be taken seriously. 613 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,140 JACK: Your Honor, I renew my objection 614 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,640 to this witness being qualified as an expert. 615 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:42,740 JUDGE: Mr. Oyler? 616 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,810 He's a full professor of bio-ethics at a major university. 617 00:26:45,870 --> 00:26:47,440 He's published over 20 books. 618 00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:49,950 JACK: His field of expertise is irrelevant to this case. 619 00:26:50,010 --> 00:26:53,180 His field of expertise is central to our case. 620 00:26:53,250 --> 00:26:54,520 Due to the nature of this case, 621 00:26:54,580 --> 00:26:57,930 I'm going to allow for a more liberal set of criteria. 622 00:26:57,980 --> 00:26:59,050 The witness can testify. 623 00:27:01,890 --> 00:27:05,500 Are you familiar, Professor, with the experiments 624 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,400 being performed on the monkeys 625 00:27:07,460 --> 00:27:08,840 at the lab where Ronald Lee worked? 626 00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:10,030 I am. 627 00:27:10,660 --> 00:27:12,010 What's your view of them? 628 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:16,170 My view is that acts of unspeakable cruelty were being committed. 629 00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:18,410 Is it not a well-settled principle 630 00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:20,640 that animals are necessary to scientific research? 631 00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:22,850 It's a well settled principle that they're available. 632 00:27:22,910 --> 00:27:25,720 Objection. What does any of this have to do 633 00:27:25,780 --> 00:27:29,120 with the defendant's actions in this case? 634 00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:30,820 Your Honor, the witness is here 635 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,760 to challenge the underlying assumption 636 00:27:32,820 --> 00:27:35,860 whereby animals are held captive and made to suffer. 637 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,000 Now, unless we're given a credible basis with which to challenge that, 638 00:27:40,060 --> 00:27:43,010 the defendant's actions cannot possibly be justified. 639 00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:45,340 I'll allow it, to a point. 640 00:27:45,770 --> 00:27:47,110 Dr. Serafian... 641 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,740 Would you change your position 642 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,980 if the research done on the monkeys produced an AIDS vaccine? 643 00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:56,420 I believe there are other ways of conducting research 644 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,580 that don't require the torture and slaughter of animals. 645 00:28:00,650 --> 00:28:06,100 If I told you we could cure cancer by sacrificing 10 infants for research, 646 00:28:06,150 --> 00:28:07,360 would you approve? 647 00:28:07,420 --> 00:28:11,060 Make it easier. Ten convicted murderers. 648 00:28:11,420 --> 00:28:14,700 In either case, as a society, we wouldn't allow it. 649 00:28:14,790 --> 00:28:18,040 The life and liberty of a human being is inviolate. 650 00:28:18,830 --> 00:28:21,810 On what basis are the lives of animals deemed less so? 651 00:28:21,970 --> 00:28:23,680 The underlying belief that animals 652 00:28:23,740 --> 00:28:26,340 are not possessed of a soul has provided it. 653 00:28:27,370 --> 00:28:30,120 How do you view the actions of George Peavey ethically? 654 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,520 I view the death of Mr. Lee as regrettable and tragic. 655 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,760 I view the actions of Mr. Peavey 656 00:28:36,820 --> 00:28:38,890 as courageous and profoundly moral. 657 00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:40,960 No further questions. 658 00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:44,830 I'd like to ask you a few questions about your writings, Professor. 659 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,210 "One commits a greater offense against nature by killing a healthy primate" 660 00:28:52,270 --> 00:28:53,940 "than a severely retarded child." 661 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,280 You've taken that out of context. 662 00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:58,410 Put it in any context you like. 663 00:28:58,540 --> 00:29:00,640 What I'm attempting to put across 664 00:29:00,940 --> 00:29:04,440 is that a healthy primate can experience both pain 665 00:29:04,510 --> 00:29:07,510 and the anticipation of pain more acutely 666 00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:09,560 than a severely retarded infant. 667 00:29:10,050 --> 00:29:11,650 Hence, the primate suffers more. 668 00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:14,130 And to you, the suffering of the primate 669 00:29:14,190 --> 00:29:16,260 is more offensive than the suffering of the infant? 670 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,430 They're both offensive to me. 671 00:29:18,660 --> 00:29:21,230 I'm not opposed to one and indifferent to the other. 672 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,940 "In an enlightened time, the liberation" 673 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,670 "of the animal experimentation labs will be viewed" 674 00:29:30,740 --> 00:29:32,840 "as having the same moral imperative" 675 00:29:32,910 --> 00:29:34,710 "as the liberation of Buchenwald." 676 00:29:34,770 --> 00:29:37,220 The moral imperative is to end suffering. 677 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,820 In that, they are the same. 678 00:29:40,150 --> 00:29:42,520 And so there is as much justification 679 00:29:42,580 --> 00:29:44,860 for the killing of an AIDS researcher 680 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,330 in a primate lab as there is for the killing 681 00:29:48,390 --> 00:29:50,560 of a guard in a concentration camp. 682 00:29:50,620 --> 00:29:54,590 I can think of circumstances where that would be the case, yes. 683 00:29:56,430 --> 00:29:58,530 Thank you, Professor. I have nothing further. 684 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,850 I started talking to George about animals being more than just property. 685 00:30:07,310 --> 00:30:08,940 I told him how Gandhi said, 686 00:30:09,010 --> 00:30:11,610 "You judge a civilization by how it treats animals." 687 00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:13,660 You could tell it was the first time he ever 688 00:30:13,710 --> 00:30:14,710 heard that kind of thing. 689 00:30:15,210 --> 00:30:16,960 Did it seem to have an effect on him? 690 00:30:17,020 --> 00:30:18,020 It's hard to say. 691 00:30:19,790 --> 00:30:21,090 I knew he liked me. 692 00:30:22,050 --> 00:30:24,060 I kind of figured he was telling me whatever he thought 693 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,330 would do him the most good. 694 00:30:25,390 --> 00:30:28,960 Did there come a time when you felt that the effect was genuine? 695 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,270 It was when I told him about the pigs. 696 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,640 Would you tell the court what that was? 697 00:30:35,870 --> 00:30:40,820 Experiments were conducted on how severe burns affect pigs' appetites. 698 00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:45,410 The pigs were tied down, fully conscious, and burned with blowtorches. 699 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,380 I showed him a videotape of it. 700 00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:51,490 He hasn't been the same since. 701 00:30:51,820 --> 00:30:54,160 OYLER: Ask to admit said videotape into evidence. 702 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,630 JACK: Objection. May we approach? 703 00:30:55,860 --> 00:30:57,130 JUDGE: Counsel may approach. 704 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,140 This is irrelevant. It's prejudicial. 705 00:31:02,190 --> 00:31:03,640 It's pandering by the use of shock value, 706 00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:05,970 with no possible relation to the case at hand. 707 00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:07,270 OYLER: We're trying to demonstrate 708 00:31:07,330 --> 00:31:08,780 the defendant's state of mind, Your Honor. 709 00:31:08,830 --> 00:31:11,540 By showing pigs being burned with blowtorches. 710 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,910 It's what he saw. It's what was being done. 711 00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:17,180 It's not what was being done to these monkeys at this lab. 712 00:31:17,940 --> 00:31:20,180 It's collateral evidence, Mr. Oyler. It doesn't come in. 713 00:31:20,980 --> 00:31:21,980 Step back, please. 714 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,960 No further questions. 715 00:31:29,220 --> 00:31:31,000 You had discussions with the defendant 716 00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:33,900 about the welfare of these monkeys in specific, 717 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,300 did you not? Many of them. 718 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,570 And is it fair to say that the gist of these discussions 719 00:31:37,630 --> 00:31:39,040 was that these monkeys 720 00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:41,170 would be better off pretty much anywhere 721 00:31:41,230 --> 00:31:42,340 other than where they were? 722 00:31:42,770 --> 00:31:44,440 I think you could say the same thing 723 00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:47,010 about anyone who's locked in a cage and injected with AIDS. 724 00:31:47,070 --> 00:31:48,780 In the course of these discussions, 725 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,220 was mention ever made of the hazards to human beings 726 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,490 if these monkeys were released from their cages? 727 00:31:54,550 --> 00:31:56,580 I'm sure George didn't intend for any humans 728 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,820 to be exposed to them. 729 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,450 Was it ever discussed? 730 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,550 No. 731 00:32:00,620 --> 00:32:01,960 It didn't occur to you 732 00:32:02,860 --> 00:32:05,030 that if these monkeys were released or transported, 733 00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:06,160 there was at least a chance 734 00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:09,400 that something would go wrong and someone would be exposed? 735 00:32:09,460 --> 00:32:10,870 No, it didn't. 736 00:32:10,930 --> 00:32:12,430 It didn't occur to either one of us. 737 00:32:12,770 --> 00:32:14,110 Do you think maybe it should have? 738 00:32:14,170 --> 00:32:15,670 Objection. JUDGE: Sustained. 739 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:18,910 Nothing further. 740 00:32:21,610 --> 00:32:25,210 OYLER: Dr. Tong, take us through what happens to the monkeys in your lab. 741 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,050 Take us through, if you will, how you obtain them, 742 00:32:28,110 --> 00:32:30,620 what you do with them, what happens when you're done with them. 743 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,820 We obtain them from large commercial breeding colonies. 744 00:32:34,050 --> 00:32:35,960 We inoculate them with a vaccine. 745 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,260 We then inject half of them with an active AIDS virus 746 00:32:39,330 --> 00:32:41,310 and keep half of them as a control group. 747 00:32:41,390 --> 00:32:43,840 What happens to the monkeys injected with the virus? 748 00:32:44,830 --> 00:32:47,780 Thus far, we've had some reasonably promising results. 749 00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:49,680 There was substantial T cell production 750 00:32:49,740 --> 00:32:51,210 in response to the virus, 751 00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:52,840 which would indicate that the animals 752 00:32:52,910 --> 00:32:55,040 were fighting off the infection. 753 00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:57,590 Has it ever happened that some of these animals, 754 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,710 notwithstanding this wonderful vaccine, 755 00:33:00,010 --> 00:33:01,860 have succumbed to the infection? 756 00:33:02,380 --> 00:33:03,450 Yes, it has. 757 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,120 What's been your response on those occasions? 758 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,260 Well, once it's clear that the animal has contracted AIDS, 759 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,820 it's our policy to put the animal down. 760 00:33:11,820 --> 00:33:13,390 When you say, "Put the animal down," 761 00:33:13,460 --> 00:33:14,940 you mean kill the animal? 762 00:33:14,990 --> 00:33:16,170 That's right. 763 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,470 How do you do that? 764 00:33:17,530 --> 00:33:21,240 We inject them with a lethal mixture of ketamine and pentobarbital. 765 00:33:21,530 --> 00:33:23,170 And you do this so they won't suffer? 766 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,040 That is exactly why we do it. 767 00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:27,180 And if they don't exhibit symptoms of AIDS, 768 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,880 we care for them until they live out their lives. 769 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,610 Now, this may come as a surprise to you, Mr. Oyler, 770 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,490 but the people who work with these monkeys 771 00:33:34,550 --> 00:33:37,290 do everything possible to minimize their discomfort. 772 00:33:37,820 --> 00:33:39,800 Everything, that is, short of not giving them AIDS. 773 00:33:39,850 --> 00:33:42,200 Objection. Counsel is arguing with the witness. 774 00:33:42,250 --> 00:33:43,360 Sustained. 775 00:33:43,420 --> 00:33:44,560 Are you aware of the fact 776 00:33:44,620 --> 00:33:46,470 that primates such as the ones used in your lab 777 00:33:46,530 --> 00:33:49,010 are capable of highly advanced communication? 778 00:33:49,060 --> 00:33:51,910 That they organize themselves into families and communities? 779 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,380 Objection. Irrelevant. 780 00:33:53,570 --> 00:33:54,640 JUDGE: Sustained. 781 00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:57,770 When you obtain these animals from these large breeding colonies, 782 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,220 you frequently obtain brothers and sisters and cousins, 783 00:34:00,270 --> 00:34:01,310 is that not a fact? 784 00:34:01,370 --> 00:34:02,410 It's possible. 785 00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:06,290 And when your experiments call for uniformity of genetic material, 786 00:34:06,350 --> 00:34:08,830 you will, on occasion, obtain a mother and its offspring, 787 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,090 is that not correct? 788 00:34:10,150 --> 00:34:11,790 When that's what we're looking for, yes. 789 00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:13,230 Then you're also probably aware that 790 00:34:13,290 --> 00:34:15,820 when one of these monkeys begins to exhibit symptoms 791 00:34:15,890 --> 00:34:18,390 of the AIDS virus which you injected them with, 792 00:34:18,460 --> 00:34:22,370 these mothers, brothers, sisters, and cousins are there to see it. 793 00:34:22,430 --> 00:34:23,910 JACK: Objection. Speculation. 794 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,140 JUDGE: Sustained. 795 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,410 OYLER: If it's not also objectionable speculation, I'd like to ask you, 796 00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:30,640 Doctor, when you put one of these suffering monkeys down, 797 00:34:30,700 --> 00:34:31,840 when you kill it, 798 00:34:33,170 --> 00:34:35,410 does that ever seem to register on the mothers, 799 00:34:35,470 --> 00:34:37,420 or the brothers, or the sisters? 800 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,320 Animals are never put down 801 00:34:40,380 --> 00:34:42,420 in the same room as other animals. 802 00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:45,590 So they're taken out of the room, never to return. 803 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,390 Yes. 804 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,160 Do you think that registers? 805 00:34:53,660 --> 00:34:55,470 It's possible that it does. 806 00:34:56,900 --> 00:34:58,380 I have no further questions. 807 00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:05,580 Hmm, based on the number or jurors 808 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,120 ordering hamburgers for lunch, 809 00:35:07,170 --> 00:35:09,580 I'd say we have more than a sporting chance. 810 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,780 Unless the meat-eaters start to feel guilty. 811 00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,120 We're there on the law, we're there on the facts. 812 00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:15,990 I don't think they'll let him go on guilt. 813 00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:21,600 Well, excuse me. I'm May Peavey. 814 00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:24,360 I'm here to talk to you about my son. 815 00:35:25,690 --> 00:35:26,760 Come in, Mrs. Peavey. 816 00:35:27,390 --> 00:35:28,390 Thank you. 817 00:35:29,630 --> 00:35:31,940 I... I don't want to take up too much of your time. 818 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,370 I know you're very busy. 819 00:35:33,830 --> 00:35:35,180 How can we help you? 820 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:38,240 Well... 821 00:35:39,070 --> 00:35:44,350 I'm very worried that the people my son is listening to, 822 00:35:45,940 --> 00:35:49,050 they maybe don't have his best interests in mind. 823 00:35:49,650 --> 00:35:51,030 Have you talked to your son about this? 824 00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:54,060 No. 825 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,060 He thinks I'm just overly protective. 826 00:35:58,660 --> 00:36:02,760 Or that I've got something against this Maxine, which I don't. 827 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,830 I'm just so worried about him. 828 00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:08,640 I thought maybe 829 00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:12,310 if you made him some kind of offer, 830 00:36:12,940 --> 00:36:15,110 he'd come to his senses. 831 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,610 We made him an offer. 832 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,920 That was before the trial started. 833 00:36:19,980 --> 00:36:22,720 If anything, the attorney he has now will be less receptive 834 00:36:22,780 --> 00:36:24,280 than the one he had before. 835 00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:27,790 I'm asking, won't you just try? 836 00:36:31,620 --> 00:36:34,040 If you're convicted of second degree manslaughter, 837 00:36:34,090 --> 00:36:36,660 you'll be sentenced to five-to-15 years. 838 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,770 Eligible for parole in five. 839 00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:42,700 JACK: If you plead guilty to criminally negligent homicide, 840 00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:45,010 you'll be sentenced to one-to-three years. 841 00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:47,410 George? 842 00:36:49,380 --> 00:36:50,380 Oh. 843 00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:53,080 I thought you were the one who was supposed to answer them. 844 00:36:59,020 --> 00:37:00,520 It's a reasonable offer. 845 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,060 I think you should consider taking it. 846 00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:10,140 Could I talk to Maxine? 847 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:12,540 I'll get her. 848 00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:20,710 George has asked to speak to you. Where is he? 849 00:37:20,770 --> 00:37:23,080 He's in the conference room. You can come with me. 850 00:37:23,610 --> 00:37:25,820 Apparently, he looks to you for guidance. 851 00:37:26,250 --> 00:37:28,690 George actually knows his own mind pretty well. 852 00:37:29,050 --> 00:37:30,190 Does he? 853 00:37:31,020 --> 00:37:34,430 If I take their offer, I could be out in as little as a year. 854 00:37:34,750 --> 00:37:37,730 We go to the jury, we don't know what'll happen. 855 00:37:38,220 --> 00:37:39,220 Isn't that right? 856 00:37:40,190 --> 00:37:41,330 Pretty much. 857 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,170 I think you should take their offer. 858 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,370 Well, that doesn't do much for this being a test case. 859 00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:49,310 There'll be other test cases. 860 00:37:49,370 --> 00:37:51,810 This was supposed to be a perfect one, though. 861 00:37:52,170 --> 00:37:55,020 OYLER: You've done enough for the cause of animal rights, George. 862 00:37:55,410 --> 00:37:57,890 No one's gonna hold it against you if you want to take their offer. 863 00:38:05,050 --> 00:38:07,660 She told me about this guy, John Brown, 864 00:38:08,290 --> 00:38:10,290 who made this raid at Harpers Ferry 865 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,800 to steal guns to free slaves. 866 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,470 You ever hear of him? 867 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,240 Apples and oranges. 868 00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:22,400 Pretty brave guy. 869 00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:25,980 Yeah, he was. 870 00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:30,550 What would he do? 871 00:38:32,180 --> 00:38:34,660 You've got to make this decision for yourself. 872 00:38:42,820 --> 00:38:44,860 Thank you for your offer, Mr. McCoy. 873 00:38:48,060 --> 00:38:49,230 I'll stand trial. 874 00:38:59,470 --> 00:39:00,950 There can be no argument 875 00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:03,050 but that what George Peavey did, 876 00:39:03,110 --> 00:39:04,450 he did out of conscience. 877 00:39:05,140 --> 00:39:07,620 This was not a crime of vengeance or greed. 878 00:39:08,380 --> 00:39:11,020 His action was motivated solely by the compassion 879 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,320 he felt for the suffering of another living creature. 880 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,300 We're not accustomed to worrying about suffering, 881 00:39:17,790 --> 00:39:19,700 when it's other than human suffering. 882 00:39:20,860 --> 00:39:22,670 We think nothing of killing animals 883 00:39:22,730 --> 00:39:24,440 to mount their heads over our mantles 884 00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:26,200 or to test for hairspray. 885 00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:28,280 And when objections are raised, 886 00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:30,810 the people raising them are mocked as kooks, 887 00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:32,750 hopelessly outside the mainstream. 888 00:39:33,140 --> 00:39:35,210 Because the basic unassailable principle 889 00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:36,950 that allows for us to take animals 890 00:39:37,010 --> 00:39:39,420 and do whatever we want with them 891 00:39:39,810 --> 00:39:41,220 is that they're property. 892 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,520 Much like a lump of coal or a plank of wood, 893 00:39:45,820 --> 00:39:47,060 or a truck, 894 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,860 or a shovel, or a hammer, 895 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,830 or a nail belongs to its owner, 896 00:39:50,890 --> 00:39:53,130 so too does an animal. 897 00:39:54,130 --> 00:39:56,940 I'd like to remind you of a time in the not-too-distant past, 898 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,410 when that same distinction was drawn 899 00:39:58,460 --> 00:40:00,140 based on the color of one's skin. 900 00:40:01,270 --> 00:40:03,910 When Africans were packed into ships like cordwood 901 00:40:03,970 --> 00:40:07,420 and brought to this continent as property of their owners, 902 00:40:07,470 --> 00:40:10,980 and they had no rights, and their suffering did not matter, 903 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,180 and anyone who objected was a kook 904 00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:14,820 and outside the mainstream. 905 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,330 My client is one such person. 906 00:40:20,190 --> 00:40:22,530 He saw suffering, and he sought to end it. 907 00:40:23,620 --> 00:40:26,730 That his efforts brought about the unanticipated tragedy 908 00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:31,400 in the death of Ronald Lee, should not force us to criminalize his intent, 909 00:40:31,460 --> 00:40:34,970 because his intent was good and decent. 910 00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:38,010 It was his belief 911 00:40:38,570 --> 00:40:41,180 that to save an animal from suffering and death 912 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,440 would be an action held reasonable 913 00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:45,010 by any enlightened society. 914 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,120 I believe one day our society will be so enlightened. 915 00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:52,220 I hope and pray that day is today. 916 00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:03,870 In the middle of the 14th century, 917 00:41:03,930 --> 00:41:05,470 there was a plague in Europe. 918 00:41:06,060 --> 00:41:08,340 It killed some 25 million people, 919 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,180 about a third of the population. 920 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:13,650 It was carried by fleas 921 00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:18,850 who were infected with a bacteria that was carried by rats. 922 00:41:19,780 --> 00:41:22,620 We call those animals pests or vermin, 923 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,690 and we take considerable pains to see to it 924 00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:28,100 that their populations are kept in check. 925 00:41:28,750 --> 00:41:30,830 We do this whether it results 926 00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:32,630 in their suffering or not, 927 00:41:32,690 --> 00:41:37,040 because to allow their population to go unchecked 928 00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:39,740 risks another bubonic plague. 929 00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:44,680 What does this have to do with a monkey confined in a lab? 930 00:41:44,740 --> 00:41:48,270 The answer is that they both represent 931 00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:54,780 how we as a society value human life above non-human life, 932 00:41:55,180 --> 00:41:56,960 and proceed accordingly. 933 00:41:58,420 --> 00:42:02,370 Does that mean that we have no compassion for non-human suffering? 934 00:42:02,420 --> 00:42:03,530 Not at all. 935 00:42:03,590 --> 00:42:06,130 I believe the men and women in this lab 936 00:42:06,860 --> 00:42:09,340 cared deeply about these monkeys. 937 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,640 It's just that they care for the men, women, and children 938 00:42:14,930 --> 00:42:18,350 who suffer and die from AIDS more. 939 00:42:21,340 --> 00:42:23,910 But all of that, 940 00:42:25,780 --> 00:42:29,160 all of it, is beside the point. 941 00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:33,320 How we treat animals, whether or not animals suffer, 942 00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,320 that is not the issue. 943 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,570 The nobility of the defendant's motives, 944 00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:42,070 that is not the issue. 945 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,010 The only issue in this case 946 00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:51,170 is whether the defendant is criminally responsible for the death of Ronald Lee. 947 00:42:51,970 --> 00:42:55,440 There is no question the defendant willfully, 948 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,910 knowingly, broke into that lab 949 00:42:58,980 --> 00:43:04,150 and took those virally infected monkeys out of their cages. 950 00:43:04,450 --> 00:43:05,990 It was that action 951 00:43:06,590 --> 00:43:08,720 that created the potential for harm. 952 00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:13,400 It was that action that caused the death of Dr. Lee. 953 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,260 And so, now, 954 00:43:17,130 --> 00:43:18,400 I ask you 955 00:43:20,130 --> 00:43:24,670 to do what the law requires. 956 00:43:33,650 --> 00:43:35,060 JUDGE: Has the jury reached a verdict? 957 00:43:35,110 --> 00:43:36,220 We have, Your Honor. 958 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,320 What say you? 959 00:43:37,380 --> 00:43:39,190 We find the defendant guilty. 960 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:42,390 (WHIMPERS) 961 00:43:44,060 --> 00:43:45,230 George... 962 00:43:47,230 --> 00:43:49,330 George, I'm so sorry. 963 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,910 Man's dominion over the animals remains intact. 964 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,850 And a jury decides to follow the law. 965 00:44:03,580 --> 00:44:05,210 And a hero is born.